**My husband says that posting this post on a “Not Me Monday” is like opening up the paper to the comic section and finding the obituaries. So I apologize to those who were visiting for a chuckle.**
Last week when I posted my updated ‘To-do’ list of things to accomplish before the baby arrives. I was surprised and blessed by so many of you who took the time to comment or email and let me know that you are praying for me, for this baby, this birth and our family. Thank you! That outpouring of prayer support prompted me to write this post, because I know you’ll pray…
Our birth history is unusual. As a matter of fact, I’ve never heard of anyone who has experienced anything similar to us and I’ve asked. A lot.
Until after the birth of our last baby, we were told by every health care professional we spoke with that the complications that we experienced with our births were unrelated to each other. Each time we explained our history we were told we were not at risk for more trouble, that our history was simply a string of unexpected, unforeseeable complications.
It wasn’t until after our last child was fairly severely injured at birth and needed to be seen by specialists at Shriner’s Orthopedic in Philadelphia that Dr. K sat down with us and explained that while he didn’t know WHY these things were happening, he did strongly believe that all of these complications were related and that we had a very high risk of another Brachial Plexus Palsy or worse happening again.
I was hoping to get through more birth stories before I posted this, but since I’m a little extremely slow allow me to summarize for you the way that Dr. K did for us.
Out of 9 births:
- We’ve experienced 6 shoulder dystocias. (Until Dr. K pointed it out, we did not realize that we should count those babies who suffered from broken collar bones as a dystocia. Dr. K said, “If there wasn’t a problem with their shoulders being stuck, their bones wouldn’t break.” Um, yes, that makes sense. Why did no one tell us sooner??)
- 4 babies have suffered a broken collar bone or humerous during birth due to SD (shoulder Dystocia).
- 3 babies, because of SD, have suffered from a lack of oxygen to the point that the doctor/midwife was concerned about possible brain damage..
- 1 of our children suffered Brachial Plexus Palsy (Erb’s Palsy – paralysis of his arm) because of SD.
There are risks factors for shoulder dystocia, but we don’t fit into those risks. We’ve experienced problems with small and large babies, difficulties when I was carrying no extra weight, we tried chiropractic care, stayed active during birth, avoided unnecessary interventions and had two home births (both resulted in SD with broken bones).
As a matter of fact, our most severe dystocias have come with completely natural child birth and the three births that there was no dystocia and no injury were the three births that I had an epidural. (Go figure)
The most severe injury (broken humerous and Brachial Plexus Palsy) was a homebirth where the midwife did everything “right” in dealing with a shoulder dystocia.
God has been very merciful to us. Nicholas (our Erb’s Palsy/Brachial Plexus Palsy baby) has had an amazing recovery and none of our children have been left with any brain damage.
However, when we found out that God had blessed us with the child that I’m now carrying, we knew we had a difficult decision to make.
It has been a decision that I’ve struggled with for the past 8 1/2 months. Mark and I are firm believers in natural childbirth and chose to have our last two children at home because of the unusually high c-section rate of the hospitals in our new city.
If someone could tell me that our child would be born uninjured, I would choose homebirth again. My heart is homebirth and I’m grateful that the Lord allowed me to experience the joy, peace and rightness of delivering two of our children at home.
However, this baby will be born via planned c-section on July 6 (unless I go into labor sooner).
Even though I KNOW that this is the best decision, even though God has shown me through my husband (who has no doubt whatsoever) that this is His plan for me, I struggle. I really am Gideon, I want my fleece dry and then wet and even with all of that I wonder and just as God was gracious to Gideon,
(T)he LORD said to Gideon, “Get up, go down against the camp, because I am going to give it into your hands. If you are afraid to attack, go down to the camp with your servant Purah and listen to what they are saying. Afterward, you will be encouraged to attack the camp.” ~Judges 7:9-11
God is gracious to me.
For the last several weeks I have been praying that God would please confirm our decision by allowing the baby to be breech or transverse (something that we’ve never experienced before). Our babies have all been head down by 36 weeks and this was the ‘fleece’ that I set before God.
Last week at my OB appointment we found out that this baby is indeed breech. I know that we could try to flip her and I know that she may flip on her own, but for me this was God reaching down and reassuring me that we’re doing all right.
Each time I feel her tiny, little , gigantic head up under my ribs (ouch!) I’m reminded of God’s mercy and goodness to me in that even though He gave me clear direction through my husband, He was still willing to deal directly with my insecurity and fear.
I’ve never had a c-section before, so if you have any tips, suggestions or encouragement, I’m all ears.
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God bless you! You are doing JUST FINE! Such a hard decision, but you are trusting the Lord and your husband! I am praying for you and your little one.
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You are in the last 2 weeks and I feel for you. My 4th is just 6 weeks old. I realized after she was 2 weeks that something must be wrong with her collar bone. I am so glad to learn about SD, I never knew. She is fine with full motion.
I am thankful for your comfort on being breeched. I know that the idea of a c-section terrifies me compared to the fierce pain of vaginal delivery. But I know many mothers that are happy to do c-sections and would never want the vaginal experience.
you are in my thoughts and prayers.
~trish
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I will be praying for you – it certainly is a difficult choice, but you must keep your babies health in mind – youŕe making the right decision.
I´ve had 3 C-sections so far & although they would definitely NOT be my first choice, I need to remind myself that all my children are healthy so makes it worth it.
Tips – take your pain meds – this may seem basic, but I was one of these mums who didnt want anything going through to baby & so refused after a couple of days – bad decision – a few weeks of pain meds doesn´t hurt the baby & it sure eases your own pain.
- Get up & walking around as soon as you are allowed – I´m not going to kid you – this HURTS, but I found that with my last pregnancy with the twins, I had to walk to another end of the hospital floor to visit them in NICU & I recovered so much quicker with much less pain than the others- once again don´t overdo it though
- Get undies that don´t finish on your c scar area OR use clean san pads under the elastic to hold them off it – trust me it can hurt being rubbed in any way.
- Practise with your littlies getting in & out of the car & doing everything around the house without you lifting them – Iknow you have older children who can help which I didn´t so found this very useful.
-Use not being able to drive for a time as an excuse to stay home & love upon your beautiful baby & children.
God bless you – will be praying
Renata:)
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awww…hang in there! I have had 2 csections. The first because he was breech and the second I tried to VBAC that was the plan but was having a lot of pain in my previous incision so I was told I had to have a second csection to prevent the incision from ripping open. I prayed..alot. It can be very overwhelming and scary but I have had no complications or problems with either. It doesn’t hurt either! Just alot of pressure. It makes me sad I’ve never and will never have the chance to have a natural birth but it’s ok my babies are healthy and happy
good luck!!!
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I will pray for you and your family through this time. All 5 of my daughters have been born through c-section. My best advice would be to move and walk as soon as you can as much as you can tolerate. If you have a two story house take a pain pill before you leave the hospital as it is a different motion of climbling stairs than walking on level ground. I personally only take pain meds on the first day and right before leaving the hospital, then I slowly wean myself down to Motrin for 2-3 days, then no more medicine. Again, I will be praying for you as you welcome your newest blessing!!!
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I’ve had one breech baby that needed a c-section delivery. God gave me a peace about it as well.
As important as it is to get up and get moving afterwards, it’s also important to take it easy. It is major surgery & your body will need to recover, so accept any offers of help.
Praying all goes well!
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The only c-section I had was an emergency one, so no advice to offer on that. However, I will be praying for you and for your little one. Praying that God will shower you with peace beyond understanding.
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I have nothing to offer in form of advice (I have only two children, and both were medicated vaginal deliveries) but I can say I prayed for you tonight, and I KNOW our heavenly Father heard me
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Please contact me to discuss your plan for a c -section for SD. I have a collegue you should talk to about this before having surgery. Never hurts to get a second opinion on SD. Lovely blog btw, and amazing family. Such a blessing!
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Marissa Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Hi,
I just read your reply and I am interested in hearing what your collegue has to say about a c-sec after SD. I am due with my second in about a month. My first had SD, and now my OB is strongly recommending a c-sec for this second child. I don’t want one, but I also want to make an informed decision and do what’s safest and best for my baby.
Thank you,
Marissa
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Maureen Dahl Reply:
July 16th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Contact Gail Tully at spinningbabies.com to discuss the your shoulder dystocia history.
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Hugs!! My first was a C-section, all I can say is make sure you have TONS of help! You need to have lots of meals premade as well as remember that this is major surgery, and you need to remember to treat it like that. For 6 wks you will need extra help…I have to say I don’t envy you right now, especially with many littles that need looked after as well. But I DO know that we serve a wonderful Elohim and He will supply your needs! Will be praying for HIS perfect will!
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Both of my children were born via c-section, and I really did not find the recovery to be as bad as everyone will tell you. Walking around as soon as you can is important, as is taking pain medication before you *need* it. I took it on schedule the first 3 days, and began weaning off of the prescription meds once I was home. We lived in a 2-story after our 2nd child arrived, and my dr limited me to 2 round-trips on the stairs each day. It was VERY good advice, and I could tell a difference the day I took a 3rd trip. I packed some snacks and drinks into a cooler on my morning trip downstairs, refilled it on my 2nd trip.
I could use any nursing position after my c-section, though I had to get someone to bring the baby to me to do side-lying for the first few days. Getting up out of bed (from laying flat) can be challenging for several days, too.
Don’t know if this is anything new from all of the earlier comments (I haven’t read them all), but I hope you find something useful.
Best wishes for a safe delivery and happy and healthy mom and baby!
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Oh – and one more thing! I got a shot of duramorph in my spinal for my 2nd c-section. Way better than the demerol I had after my first (I don’t react to it very well). The duramorph lasts about 24 hours – it just made my nose itchy (a normal side effect) – and you don’t have to use the little button to self-administer the dose.
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God WILL indeed supply your needs, no matter what.
As for a C-Section, might the Lord have given you this opportunity to help other women who feel like “inadequate” moms because they were unable to deliver at home/deliver naturally/deliver vaginally? The mother-guilt had a field day with me on this one. And every “perfect” mother I knew had done it naturally…I was a failure. I might have felt such comfort from you – a mom that’s obviously got convictions on this issue – doing it in a different way than planned or previously done.
Anyways, I’ll be praying for you on July 6th.
Grace in Him,
Karen
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I am expecting our 8th baby in a few weeks and I had to have a C-section with our third as she was breech. I will be honest and say I found it very difficult, because you cannot just get up and go like when you had natural birth. You need to do things slower and you are sore from the surgery. I had no extra help aside from hubby and the 2 older children where too small to be of help.if you can get someone to help around the house the first 6 weeks or so it would help a lot. You will however recover and feel normal after a while, it just takes longer than when having natural birth. Blessings to you. Natalie.
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Kimberly,
I can’t speak from experience about a c-section, but I’ve read all the comments and it looks like you’ve got some very good and very consistent advice.
The decision to have the c-section might be difficult but know that G-D helped doctors to create this procedure so HIS children will survive. You and your new daughter are both HIS children and HE wants both of you to praise him. HE needs you both. And while it may not be your first choice, know that you are still able to make choices about your care and that of your daughter.
HE made you a smart woman!
May you be blessed with a speedy recovery and minimal pain. Don’t overdo it and as others have said, remember that a C-section is a major surgery. You will heal, but you need time. Something that a mom with even just one child, let along the loving bunch you have, doesn’t have.
Don’t forget to speak up at the hospital and ask questions or make noise if you have to (even if it’s not your nature!).
Blessing to you and your family. Can’t wait to see the pictures!
Sara
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My advice is different than all the rest. I do agree with everything everyone else has already said though. My three points of advice:
1) eat very light the night before, something easy to digest, that will be gone by morning, just trust me on this one. Even if it is your favorite meal it will be forever scared if it decides it doesn’t appreciaate all that pushing going on in your belly.
2) Get a Shick Intuition Razor so you don’t have to use shaving cream when you shave until you heal.
3) Make sure that whatever you plan to wear after doesn’t have a maternity panel with a seam in the area of the incision.
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I will be praying for you. Just wanted to let you know I have had three c-sections so that is all I know. This baby (due in Sept.) will also have to be delivered via c-section. Someone already mentioned but it is so worth repeating. Get up and walk as soon as you can. It helps to heal quicker. My first doctor told me that and I have always found that I am better by two weeks. I stay on the couch for the first two days home because it is easier for me to get up and down from the couch then the bed (the mattress makes it harder to push up off of)
By the time I get home I am just taking Tylenol for the pain but I do it on schedule to beat the pain. (I have never liked taking pain medicines when nursing a baby)
Make sure you have one of the syringe bulbs for the baby. Since they don’t get squeezed out in the birth canal their tends to be more of the mucus stuff to clean out of their nose and back of throat the first few days.
I hope you have a wonderful birth though it will be different than the others.
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Will be praying for you! The best thing about it is no matter HOW she is born, at the end of the day (or night
you will be cuddling another sweet blessing from the Lord! Praying that all goes well!
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I just had my 4th kiddo via c-section. It was the best birth experience ever. The doctor did a new kind of suture that is done in cosmetic surgery. A zipper type thing. Due to a horrible prior c-section done in another city/hospital, this doc managed my pain great – no morphine pumps- don’t reccommend. Just pain pills. He sealed the suture with surgical glue- the stitches were internal dissolving. I was up walking that day. After @ 10 days rubbed with vaseline and glue one day just pulled off. No pain or infection at site. I have all my feeling back. My husband and I elected to do C’s after 2nd son was an 11 lb Shoulder distocia kiddo. His collar bone was broken and he turned blue but no long term affects. Yes, God is merciful. Now if we could just magically make babies sleep all night from birth and not have mommy be loopy and sleep-deprived:)
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I don’t have a situation that relates, so I will simply let you know that you, your family, and this dear baby are in my prayers. God is so great and He knows how to speak to each one of us individually so that we will hear Him. You are blessed to have the wisdom to set out your fleece and have the Great Physician himself reply.
mychildsview.blogspot.com
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I don’t have any advice or anything to offer regarding the c-section- sorry.
I’ve never had one and after seeing my sister forced into one with her first and how horrible the hospital staff was, full of lies and blackmail, the whole thing frankly scares me to death. It sounds like you’re doing the right thing though – I would too in your case. Though I’d still be scared to death I think. I’ll be thinking of you! **HUGS**
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Hi!
I have been a follower of your blog for a while. I am a homeschooling mom and a labor and delivery nurse. I can totally understand the struggle you are having with your birth decision. Reading your birth history is somewhat frightening to me, since I know the high risk associated with shoulder dystocias. I commend you for leaving this decision up to the Lord and I praise God for giving you such a wonderful sign. I have had one c-section of my 4 babies, my second son was an emergency c-section delivery due to some pretty heavy duty bleeding during labor and some scary heart rate tracings. It was totally unexpected, but I tell ya, it did not rob any joy out of his birth. I encourage you to seek out the joys that await you as you welcome your new one into your arms.
When I am tending to a laboring mom who is suddenly faced with a c-section, sometimes they feel like they have failed, but their job (and ours) is to have a healthy baby and a healthy mom. Praise the Lord that you have options, and that God has clearly stated which option He has for you at this time.
My c-section was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I had a medicine called duramorph placed when they did the anesthesia and it kept me quite comfortable for 24 hours. I am always anxious to get out of the hospital after deliveries . . . My son was born at 1pm on Sunday and I went home Tuesday morning.
You will need to take it easy, watch what you lift afterwards (they say don’t lift anything heavier than your baby). Tell the hospital staff that you want to hold your baby as soon as possible and I will pray that happens for you. I don’t know much about what hospital you are delivering at, but most have bedside care of infants these days, and the babies aren’t whisked away to a nursery for hours after they are born.
I hope I have been of some encouragement to you, you will definitely be in my prayers and I eagerly await pictures and stories of this precious child’s arrival.
In Christ,
Kristina
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Having my children all under two years apart, wearing is a must. Much easier to chase toddlers and my children have always been so content to watch the world from their carriers and slings. I have tried a new one with each child – never this one. Sounds great!
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praying for you! may God bring you peace and a healthy delivery/baby!
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I will keep you in my prayers. You have already gotten some really good advice. Mine would be to shave your own bikini area so that when they go to do it too nothing is missed. I wont go into details why just when I go to have another baby We will make sure my tummy is shaved before going to the hospital.
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I have had 3 C sections and the things that I recommend the most are stitches not staples, I agree w/ another post, take your pain meds. Your body can not heal if you are in pain. But most of all, MOVE MOVE MOVE. Even if you can’t get out of bed, (catheter will keep you in bed) turn every 2 hours. Just moving from side to side will make a world of difference. Move every time you nurse, that is a good way to remember to move. If you don’t think you have the will power to do it, (I am a baby when it comes to pain – my mother spent the first 24 hours in the hospital w/ me with all 3 of my children) Have someone there to insist, oh I mean remind and encourage you to turn and to be your cheerleader to get up and move as soon as possible.
With all that being said, God will be there w/ you the whole time. I dealt w/ the whole c section thing by reminding myself that God gave the Dr.’s the wisdom to know how to do this, to help us be able to have healthy children.
Blessings!!
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I had a c-section last year and it was a completely wonderful experience. I got to hold my daughter right away and recovered very quickly. Take your pain meds and don’t overdue it. Give yourself two weeks ater the birth to rest and heal. Move around and just know that a healthy and wonderful birth can come from a c-section.
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I haven’t had time to read through all your comments so sorry if this a repeat. I have has 3 c sections and found a few things that definately made a difference (My sister has also had 3 and her experiences were similar so she agrees with my tips). First of all-ask for stiches and not staples!!! I have had both and with staples I could not stand up straight for a few weeks because it felt like it was pulling. Also my sister and I both got infections in the scar when we had staples. Also-having a planned c section was so much easier. The first one I was in labor for several hours beforehand and cutting the muscles that had already been working so hard made me really sore and have to have every dose of my pain med. My one planned-no labor-stiches c-section was virtually pain free and I did not even need pain med unless I had a very active day with lots of walking.I did not even use 1/2 my prescription. I also had a spinal block that had a 24 hr pain blocker. During the first 24 hours I felt no pain but was able to walk around and sit cross legged on my bed within a few hours of the birth. By the time the blocker wore off I had “worked” off the soreness. I went grocery shopping the day I got out of the hospital! Good Luck!! I will say a prayer for you and your new baby!
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Isn’t God wonderful, the way He comes through and lets us know if we ask and listen?
I’ve had two c-sections, and they were two very different experiences (the first was wonderful- I actually have always told people it was “spa-like” because it was so relaxing! The second… well, let’s just say I now know what to demand to make it a positive experience.)
Here are my tips for your own “spa-like” c-section:
-Ask for dimmed lighting in the room. With my first c/s, the lights in the room were dark, and just the table area (that the doc needed to see and work) were lit.
-I had a wonderful wonderful WONDERFUL anesthesiologist, who sat at my head and massaged my shoulders throughout the entire c/s. Wonderful? check! Spa-like? Check!
- At some point, you will probably feel like you are having trouble breathing. This is the medication, it is normal. Tell the doctor so that you aren’t missing something important, but keep it in mind so if it happens, you don’t completely panic. I had a friend who mentioned this the night before my c/s, and had she not told me, I would have thought something was going terribly wrong, because sure enough, I “struggled” to breathe for awhile (not painful, and no actual oxygen depletion. Just strange to feel.)
- God is in control! Prayers that He keeps His loving, healing hands holding onto this baby and keeping everything safe.
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You have been given much wonderful advice so far… I’ve had 4 c-sections and 1 vaginal birth. My first c-section was a horrible disappointment and I didn’t get to see my son for 9 HOURS. Doctor didn’t even show him to me over the drape. Never saw him on the actual day he was born… for NO reason at all. He was perfectly healthy. So when I had to have a c-section for #3, I was devastated… BUT
due to wonderful communication with my midwife, she made absolute certain that I saw my baby and it was a wonderful experience. My advice is for you and your husband to speak up… loudly if necessary! Keep asking if the baby is ok and if she is, then keep pressing them to bring her to you so you can nurse during that first awake time. Sometimes the nurse will want to prolong YOUR recovery time, but as long as you are ok… again keep your voice heard!! Some hospitals and nurses may be more lenient on these issues, but know ahead of time what your wishes are.
Do take things slowwwww at home. You will feel better and begin to do too much and with many other children, this lead me to an incision infection (staples or stitches… had trouble with both)and breast infection. Accept help!! I know this sounds negative as I’ve not had very good experiences with nurses, but I never want a woman to go through a bad c-section experience… it’s just not necessary. And do take the medication before you think you need it!! Blessings!
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Thanks for sharing! You’ll be in my prayers!
I didn’t see this mentioned, but ask the nurses for a support band to wrap around your middle during recovery. They probably won’t offer (though they should!) so you will need to ask. Feel free to do soe research on belly binding. It’s all good! You could also just buy one yourself like the Bella Band. The added support is A.Ma.Zing!
God bless!
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May blessings flow to you on the upcoming birth of your baby.
I’m really sorry to hear about the shoulder dystocia history with your babies’ births.
It’s too bad the doctors who assisted in your children’s births were not aware of the “Gaskin Maneuver”.
For anyone else reading this who are concerned about baby’s shoulders not having enough space to fit through their pelvis and through the canal for birth, it would be wrong of me not to share this link. Make sure to share it with your doc! For the sake of future babies and Moms’ health.
http://www.thefarm.org/midwives/dystocia.html
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Kimberly @ Raising Olives Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Thank you Eve for the link.
However, our most severely injured baby was delivered using the “Gaskin Maneuver”. We delivered a much larger (by more than half a pound) baby who was seriously stuck without injury using other maneuvers.
While I do wish that more doctors would add the Gaskin Maneuver to their ‘resume’, I do not think that it is the solution that it is touted to be. One of the reasons we tried a homebirth after our complications was that our midwife told us that our severe shoulder dystocia would not have been a problem if the doctors had tried the Gaskin Maneuver.
I am passionate about this issue because one of our children sustained a life-long injury because of someone’s unquestioning faith in the Gaskin Maneuver and it’s superiority over other methods.
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Hello Kim.
Sorry that I’m a bit late to add my comment about a c-section. I too, am a bit slow. :0)
I had a c-section with our first born, a little over 9 years ago. She was in the breech position and we didn’t know this until she was 8 days overdue. Before and during the surgery, there’s not much to say. ~ They, of course, will give you an epidural so that you can’t feel from the waist down. ~ They will put up a “curtain” above your ribs, so that you can’t see anything.
~ Don’t be surprised if it becomes a little harder to breathe during the procedure (I remember it was like someone was sitting on my chest). Apparently, this is normal.
~ You won’t be able to sit up for about the next 5 hours or so after the birth.
~ Ask for the pain medication as soon as you feel pain. I don’t like taking medications of any sort, and I waited to long to ask for anything. Because of this, it took a long time to get the pain under control.
~ The nurses will do things for you, including changing your pad and perhaps helping you wipe after using the bathroom. It is a little uncomfortable (okay, A LOT!) but it is needed, for you won’t be able to do it. :0)
~ Once you get home, DO NOT OVERDUE IT!! I know this is difficult. But you have older children: USE THEM. I’m really serious about this one. I overdid it and the incision became infected (I was told the incision “popped” open because of overdoing it. I’m not sure if this is true or not.) I had to go back to the doctor where they opened up the incision and it had to heal from the inside out. It was not pleasant.
I do know how you feel on the side of where you want to birth your baby and where you must birth your baby. I would really like to have a home birth, but all of our 6 children have been born with meconium in the amniotic fluid, and 3 of them have had serious breathing problems (1 that needed to be in a little oxygen “bubble” for the 1st 24 hrs, 1 that had to be incubated because of Pulmonary Hypertension and the other because he had a stroke in utero due to a pinch in his cord. This resulted to him having some brain damage). Neither my husband or I am sure if having a home birth is right for us.
My prayers are with you Kim!
Jennifer D
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Have been and am continuing to pray for your whole family. May Jesus bless you greatly. Love you sister.
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Hi! I have had 1 natural birth and 3 C-sections. C-sections are a breeze! Of course the first one was a little harder to recover from, but now I love me a good C-section. You know when the baby will be born and it is much easier to make arrangements for the other kids! My one tip would be to use a hair dryer on your incision after you get out of the shower (not too close to the incision of course) and this will help keep it dry and it will heal faster. Blessings to you on this day. Jennifer
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I just started crying reading this! I am an Erb’s Palsy mom and we see Dr. K in Philly at the Shriner’s Hospital. I have so much I could share with you-Dr. K is a wonderful doctor! God bless you and your family-I know how heartbreaking it is to go through Brachial Plexus Birth Palsy.
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Kimberly @ Raising Olives Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
{{hugs}} from one Erb’s Palsy mom to another. Thank you. How is your child doing now?
After Bella (our baby born via c-section) came home from the hospital, one of our younger children was watching her and suddenly looked up at me and said, “Look Mommy, her arm works.” I will not take two working arms for granted again.
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This story is the first I’ve read on your blog, which I was directed to by a friend. All I can say is that I relate to your birth history all too well. I am one of those very few people in your situation, only not quite as many case studies
. I have 2 children, both injured at birth. My first, a girl, also had brachial plexus along with a broken collar bone. As soon as her collar bone healed she was fine, no permanent damage, PTL! Then came our second, a boy, with brachial plexus too. No broken collar bone for him, but his is severe enough to the point where we are looking at having muscle tranfer surgery before he’s 2. A heartbreaking thing to watch your babies struggle to do the ‘simple’ things of life, like reach out and grab something at 90 degrees. Thank you for your stories, I fully intend on reading any other posts you have in this dept. The other thing I found quite interesting, or maybe just coincidence, is the fact that you referenced the story of Gideon. Our little boy’s name is Gideon, and I’ve never seen a little baby (he’s one today) that is a fighter like him. Happy to his core and doesn’t let anything stand in his way. Judges 6:12
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Kimberly @ Raising Olives Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 7:03 am
Hi Lendsey,
When we saw Dr. K he told us that he couldn’t believe that we hadn’t already had a serious injury and that cases like yours are most common, a slightly injured first baby and then severely injured second.
I’m curious if after your first child was injured your doctor told you about your increased risk of a more serious injury. I’d never heard of Erb’s until Nicholas was injured, despite my risk.
I’m so sorry and pray that Gideon will have a wonderful recovery.
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Lendsey Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Kimberly,
When I was pregnant with Gideon, the doctor did tell us that the chances this would happen again were higher. We told him that if possible, we wanted to avoid a c-section. Our doc was never very pushy about trying to get me to do a c-section, so we go back and forth between being upset with our doctor for not pushing us to make a different choice (my husband) and frustrated with my body (me). So, getting to a place to know that God can bring something good out of any situation has taken a while to come around to. Thanks for your kind words and prayers for Gideon. I will continue to pray and read about Nicholas and his recovery efforts. It is an encouragement knowing I’m not the only mom working my way through this relatively unknown injury. God Bless!
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Kimberly @ Raising Olives Reply:
March 10th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Thank Lendsey. Yes, getting to that point of peace in knowing that this also is God’s good will and not a mistake on our part was a struggle. Thank you for your prayers!
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This is much after you’ve delivered number 10, but it is an encouragement to me. I’m only on number three (in three years time), but haven’t had typical deliveries. Number one was natural and in the hospital. I made sure I had the doctor who had the lowest bruising/tearing/episiotomy/c-section rate in town. He even had the endorsement of the local homebirthing midwives! However, due to some pre-existing problems we knew could complicate things both my daughter and I suffered from her traumatic birth. Number two was a c-section, and baby and I both recovered much, much faster. This will be a c-section as well. Though I’ve had much pressure for those in the “natural” camp to try again despite the advice of my doctors we’ve done much praying and are at peace with this. There’s only so much we can do, and after that, we must trust ourselves and our children to God.
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Just came across this following links related to doing grammar on the late side (which we do), strangely enough. Just wanted to say, to share stories – we’ve had two SDs in ten deliveries (#3 and #8) Our number 3 was a natural delivery and his collar bone broke quickly. The cord was also around his neck and pushing was very forced due to that, the dystocia did not last long, yet she still had time to hit the STAT button on the wall and everyone came running just as his bone broke and he was able to come out. He was born blue and needing assistance to breath (cord, I think, rather than the short time of SD) – but has been fine (now 12 years old). I never ever heard the term SD or any worries about future deliveries. (Actually they didn’t find the collar bone break, I found it after it healed at 12 days with a big lump). In fact after that 9 pound 9 ounce baby, they were not concerned letting me go a full two weeks late with another huge baby – fortunately it was OK. Another late and very big baby but Ok. Then two mid sized babies, with easy deliveries. Then with number 8 I had a very comfortable epidural labor, easy day, that went perfectly with no prolonged pushing and suddenly after the head delivered, SD (I really didn’t know things were so dangerous especially since I was 100 percent pain free) – my midwife did all the maneuvers and the second time trying McRoberts, out she came with no injuries. She was pink as could be. I think it was only about one minute. This time, I heard about it. My midwife was so shaky afterwards (veteran of maybe 2000 births?) and I peaceful, not really understanding the danger, actually very happy with the birth! When I asked how often she had a delivery like that (after she explained what had happened) she said she might have to do serious maneuvers once a year, but that mine was the worst ever! I was shocked. The next pregnancy, we agonized and prayed. I did not feel peace about a c-section and my mid-wive seemed nervous. She said she wasn’t pushing a c-section, but it almost seemed so. Though I had mentioned my baby with the broken collar bone when I first met her (before delivering my 7th), she was not at all concerned about it until she experienced the emergency with me. In the end, after about 8 months, we decided against the c-section, party because the baby seemed on the small size, partly just through prayer. My mid-wife was unable to be at this birth due to an emergency and my family practice MD did the delivery with a lot of confidence. In God’s providence that was my smallest baby and the delivery was very smooth and he came out so very quickly everyone was surprised (and with 6 extra people in the room just in case). In fact his delivery was so fast that his lungs were still wet and he ended up hospitalized for a pneumothorax and labored breathing. He was completely recovered after a week in NICU. Our 10th delivery also went quickly and with no complications after we again considered a c-section, but without peace- he was a mid-sized baby, this time again with my mid-wife. Always in hospitals due to our experience with number 3 needing assistance with breathing, glad to be at the hospital. The c-section decision is so hard each time as I/we do now know about the extra risk. There are also risks with having many deliveries by c-section, and some erb’s palsy injuries during c-sections (which seems crazy). Your history beats mine, I haven’t met anyone who has had even two SDs. May the Lord continue to bless you and your family. Thanks for sharing your story! I thought you might be interested in mine. If we are blessed with another baby, we’ll have to make that decision again. Sorry I ended up rambling there and went back to add details which probably made it worse! (ps. I’m 42, married 22 years, kids aged 17 down to 9 months). Blessings!
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Kimberly @ Raising Olives Reply:
September 1st, 2011 at 4:10 pm
I love hearing about other people’s stories. Thank you!
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i am in this same place right now, my 4th is due in 6 weeks, and my 3rd (who is 1 today!) suffered a brachial plexus birth injury. He had botox injections at 5 months and tendon transfer surgery at 6.5 months because his shoulder wouldn’t stay in socket. My first child was breech, and a scheduled c/s, my 2nd was a difficult vbac delivery,although shoulder dystocia was never mentioned and my issues with him started early in my labor, and then my 3rd which was actually my easier labor and delivery, other than the bpi. Everything in me from preparing for VBAC is cringing at the thought of a scheduled c-section, yet i look at my little guy, and feel like i would be foolish to attempt vaginal birth again. i have been praying for peace for this decision and just relying on god’s grace and sovereignty. your story is such an inspiration to me.
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Oh Kimberly, I am crying as I write this. I have been following your blog for a while now and thank the Lord for you and your family and all your encouraging and uplifting and funny and troubling posts. I have recommmended your site to many of my dear friends that I know will be blessed as well. But this post has dug deep into my heart and I pray that my words may be uplifting to you.
I know exactly what you are going through and I wish we could talk instead of write for I have so much to say. My heart is in non-medicated, non-invasive natural childbirth and homebirth if at all possible. I have read and studied and prayed about this issue A LOT.
My backgroud is in the medical field where I spend 10 years at a hospital working with children, new born infants and post-partum care. The whole time I was there I saw so much intervention in childbirth that just disturbed me to no end and I swore that I would never be one of the statistics. I just knew that I would be able to get pregnant, have a “normal” pregnancy and a “normal” delivery “just the way God designed it” without any “help” from the medical “professionals”. I wanted / desired / longed for going into labor on my own, delivering my baby wihout instruments, just God’s help and then resting comfortably after hugging on my little one.
Well, I got pregnant for the first time 4 months after I got married and it all started. My OB, one of the best in the area that I knew and trusted told me at one of my appointments that my pelvis was kinda small and that a c-section might have to be a possibility, but I refused to hear any of it. Long story short, against ALL my wishes and I believe b/c of circumstances that lead up to it, I ended up with an epidural. However, I only had to push for 20 minutes and she was out w/o any complications, praise God. But I swore that I would never have anoter epidural.
Well, the next time towards the end of my pregnancy we were told that the baby had a double nucal cord, the umbilical cord was wrapped pretty tight around her neck and she could be strangled at any time. So, I went back to the office MANY times to be evaluated. AFter prayer and advice from the doctor, we decided to be induced. Well, that was NOT on my radar screen or anything that I EVER thought would happen to me. But after prayer and wise councel we decided that we should listen. So, we induced, well long story short after a very rough process,, I was in labor and at the end, all of a sudden the doctor said somethign to the nurses and one of them rushed a stool over to me, and almost jumped on my belly as I was pushing. It ends up that she has SD and that we were very blessed to have no complications.
So, now we were pregnant a third time and I just knew thingngs wouldd be different. But once again, around teh middle of the pregnancy, the docotor says, “the baby was
“looking big” and that we should induce to avoid another SD. I was so disturbed, I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t want toto have the recommended c-section, NO WAY, that was the WORST possible cenario in my mind and my husband and docotor knew it. So, once again, against all my mind said to me, we scheduled an induction. Well, that was the worst time of my life. The medications were driving my crazy and made me feel horrible. But finally the time came to deliver. Long story short … his heart rate dipped dangeroustly low and 4 -5 nurses RUSHED into the room and flipped me over onto my numb knees and hands which helped, so I stayed that way for 45 minutes. Then back over I went only to have his heart rate skyrocket into the 200s while pushing. I pushed and pushed and pushed and NOTHING. His head was NOT coming out. So, the doctor looked at my husband and he looked at me and I started crying and got so mad at myself and almost hysterical b/c I knew what the looks meant … c-section. They couldn’t get me numb enough with the epidural , so out I went under general anesthesia. I woke up feeling like a Mac truck hit me , TWICE and worse, my baby was in teh NICU for 12 hours before I got to see him at all. That was a very difficult delivery to say the least for me , the baby, and mostly my husband.
So, when we got pregnant the 4th time, I prayed like never before. I read up on V-BACs and read “Christ Centered Childbirth” and was prepared for the best, Christ Centered childbirth anyone has ever had, we had a doula set up, support ready, music, scripture verses, you name it, I was ready for the best delivery of my life.
Well, it didn’t happen. I was having contractions 2-3 minutes apart for several days with no cervical change and the doctor had already said prior that the baby was once again “looking big” and suggested another c-section. I refused. I couldn’t imagine that God would want this for me. He put this baby inside me, surely it should be able to come out w/o complications, right???? Well, He had some teaching for me, that things don’t alawys go my way, I suppose, still learning.
We prayed, spoke with our Pastors and friends and ended up deciding to have another c-section. I was A MESS and so upset. But in the end, thankful for a healthy baby, for sure.
So, I’m not sure if I have encouraged you at all,but I do believe that God is soverign and in control no matter what decisions we make. Your story has encouraged me b/c so many of my friends and family members have had such wonderful natural childbirth that I have felt left out, and I suppose a bit jealous. But when I sit and really pray about it, I need to be thankful for healthy chilren and the medical resoureces to help us have health babies. I still long for that dreamed about natural childbirth, but I dont’ know if it is even possible for me.
Be encouraged that God has given you the wisdom to make decisions and that no matter what He is in control and you can trust Him. This baby is a blessing and gift and He will deliver that gift in the way He wants to, Vag or C-section, but now matter what the wrapping looks like, it is still a gift from the Lord above.
I am still strruglling with the issue, but know that I will be praying for you and know that you are NOT ALONE. I know how you feel!
In Christ,
Jamie
Thank you for all your words of wisdom, please keep the blog going , God is using you and your precious family to bless me and my friends.
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Kimberly @ Raising Olives Reply:
February 16th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Thank you for sharing your story. It is nice to know that we are not alone. Blessings.
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Hi Kimberly,
My name is Holly. I am the mother of 4…one is in heaven with Jesus. I had a friend turn me on to your blog/website yesterday and have been reading about your precious family. I just read this post and wanted to encourage you a bit. I had a shoulder dystocia with my middle child. I understand the trauma and sorrow of all of that. I do believe this is a quality decision you are making to have a scheduled c-section. I am a labor and delivery nurse by experience and training. Have delivered several babies too as an RN in low-risk births. I worked in a high risk labor and delivery unit…a long time ago, but for 8 years. Just to take away any anxiety…scheduled c/sections are really very peaceful too. I love homebirths, and if the Lord see fits to give us any more kiddos, that will be what I will do, but just know this will be peaceful.
Specifics…you will have a drape from your chest to the two iv poles to your left and right…your hubby will most likely be positoned on a chair to your left…the anesthesia doc will most likely be to your right. You shouldnt feel any pain during delivery. You will feel much pressure once the delivery the baby through your belly. You will hear lots of suction…loud, just before the baby’s birth….this will replace a normal water breaking and the gush that comes. It is loud and startling and the docs often forget to let you know what is going on…they will lay baby on your belly and suction the nose and mouth really well…they didn’t come through births canal to squish it all out. if the baby is screaming, which is good, then if you dicuss it with the docs in your birth plan, the little one should be able to be wrapped well and brought to you for a moment to say hello…only if all is well…then to warmer to be assessed by peds.
nice things about a c-section…you will have very little bleeding over the next week…they manually clean what would happen naturally…the baby’s head will be perfectly round…no squeezing…and the baby didn’t work hard to be born, so they often are the pinkest little things you have ever seen.
I hope this is helpful…I am lifting a prayer that your morning sickness relents quickly. God bless your beautiful family.
His riches blessings,
Holly
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I am the mother of 8 children & I too have faced your dilemma about having a c/s due to SD in previous babies. my babies are all born “sunny side up” even my c/s baby! some drs have said this contributes to the incidence of SD during my deliveries. I had peace in my last pregnancy about delivering unmedicated and as a VBAC (vaginal birth after c/s-2 yrs & 5 days to the day from my c/s). by the grace of GOD i did it & had a healthy 9lb 3oz baby girl BUT her shoulders stuck during delivery and she was VERY PURPLE at birth (none of my other SDs were that purple)- super scary! I am the only person i knew with this kind of birth history until now and i think you can NEVER go wrong by trusting God to tell you the right path. i will keep you in my prayers.
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Hi thank you so much for sharing this, I hope this sharing may assist you too sorrry if its a bit long, since the birth of my first child by c section 12 years ago i have had to debate and research and question my births, my first c esction was at 10 cm for fetal distress, so second time round 2 and half years ago doctors saw no reason for me not to attempt vbac in hospital fully monitired etc, ended with c section after 16 hours and at 8cm being told time was up, felt very confused laid out a zillion fleeces etc and next birth 9 months ago felt determined not to go near a hospital at all, stayed home with midwives (took alot to get that to happen here in uk) everything fell in place had no cash but local doula gave us very cheap classes and loaned us free pool etc. on the day went into labour finally without fear…. without pain relief or anything, got pool, had freind with us was really fun!!!pushing at noon for two hours nothing happening coudnt understand why and transfered in nothing wrong just didnt feel right, agreed to a third section, when they opened me up baby was face up head stuck in pelvis perfectly happy sitting there wieghed 2lb more than others. I was elated felt like i’d done it all?!? apparently i had a need to fully labour (i had never pushed) why did I end up with another c section? not a clue. the only thing i know now is that I can do it I’m not broken and i think God gave me a whole day to find that out, regardless of how any future children are born, i think ive come to a place now where it doesnt really matter how, ut before i felt broke and i didnt even know it. Praise God for the wonderful births you have been able to have and the wonderful ones to come, God Bless You x
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